From: | "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa(dot)takay(at)jp(dot)fujitsu(dot)com> |
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To: | 'Tomas Vondra' <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | RE: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) |
Date: | 2018-06-14 00:58:21 |
Message-ID: | 0A3221C70F24FB45833433255569204D1F9A3BB2@G01JPEXMBYT05 |
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> From: Tomas Vondra [mailto:tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com]
> On 05/25/2018 01:41 PM, Moon, Insung wrote:
> > BTW, I want to support CBC mode encryption[3]. However, I'm not sure
> > how to use the IV in CBC mode for this proposal. I'd like to hear
> > opinions by security engineer.
> >
>
> I'm not a cryptographer either, but this is exactly where you need a
> prior discussion about the threat models - there are a couple of
> chaining modes, each with different weaknesses.
Our products uses XTS, which recent FDE software like BitLocker and TrueCrypt uses instead of CBC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_encryption_theory#XTS
"According to SP 800-38E, "In the absence of authentication or access control, XTS-AES provides more protection than the other approved confidentiality-only modes against unauthorized manipulation of the encrypted data.""
> FWIW it may also matter if data_checksums are enabled, because that may
> prevent malleability attacks affecting of the modes. Assuming active
> attacker (with the ability to modify the data files) is part of the
> threat model, of course.
Encrypt the page after embedding its checksum value. If a malicious attacker modifies a page on disk, then the decrypted page would be corrupt anyway, which can be detected by checksum.
Regards
Takayuki Tsunakawa
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