From: | Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)aklaver(dot)com> |
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To: | Jeremy Schneider <schnjere(at)amazon(dot)com>, pgsql-general(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org |
Cc: | Christophe Pettus <xof(at)thebuild(dot)com>, Chris Williams <cswilliams(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: Slow shutdowns sometimes on RDS Postgres |
Date: | 2018-09-14 21:36:13 |
Message-ID: | 048ef951-a02a-9c7c-9483-61979e42f21f@aklaver.com |
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On 9/14/18 12:11 PM, Jeremy Schneider wrote:
> On 9/14/18 10:04, Christophe Pettus wrote:
> Thanks Christophe - even if it's not what Chris is running into, this is
> is another good call-out.
>
> It's important to distinguish here between the RDS parts and the
> community PostgreSQL parts. I think for this thread it's just worth
> pointing out that RDS automation/tooling will report the database in a
> "modifying" state until it completes its management operations, however
> the actual database unavailability is much shorter. RDS carefully
> engineers their processes to minimize the actual database unavailability
> itself.
>
> Chris has run into a problem where the PostgreSQL processes did not shut
> down, evidenced by the error messages he mentioned, and as a result his
> database was actually unavailable to applications for an extended
> period. This is uncommon and concerning.
>
> This isn't the right forum for discussing the RDS bits; lets take that
> to the AWS forums. It's not synchronous, but the time to complete
> should absolutely be predictable within reasonable bounds depending on
> the operation type. I don't know how anyone could use the platform
> otherwise! If anyone is unable to establish bounded expectations for
> some automated operation, I'd strongly encourage starting a thread on
> the AWS forums or opening a support ticket.
Not sure I follow. RDS using Postgres is a set, so I am not sure you can
unbundle then when tracking down a bug.
>
>
> On 9/14/18 09:27, Adrian Klaver wrote:
>> The thing is I do not remember any posts to this list mentioning the
>> same problem on a platform outside RDS. A quick search seems to
>> confirm that.
> I've met folks from other large fleet operators at PG conferences. There
> are all kinds of stories we don't find on the lists yet. :) Hopefully
> we're all getting better about closing the loop and sharing stuff back -
> that's part of the value large fleet operators can and should bring to
> the community.
Hopefully sooner rather then later.
> -Jeremy
>
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Adrian Klaver
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