From: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
Cc: | Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, ik(at)postgresql-consulting(dot)com, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Dynamic LWLock tracing via pg_stat_lwlock (proof of concept) |
Date: | 2014-10-07 14:04:38 |
Message-ID: | CA+Tgmobf1NJD+_DfQG5qccG5YFSnxk3CgC2mh0-UHabznCQtYA@mail.gmail.com |
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 06:06:24PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> > I actually don't think that's true. Every lock acquiration implies a
>> > number of atomic locks. Those are expensive. And if you see individual
>> > locks acquired a high number of times in multiple proceses that's
>> > something important. It causes significant bus traffic between sockets,
>> > while not necessarily visible in the lock held times.
>>
>> True, but I don't think users are going to get much value from those
>> numbers, and they are hard to get. Server developers might want to know
>> lock counts, but in those cases performance might not be as important.
>
> In summary, I think there are three measurements we can take on locks:
>
> 1. lock wait, from request to acquisition
> 2. lock duration, from acquisition to release
> 3. lock count
>
> I think #1 is the most useful, and can be tracked by scanning a single
> PGPROC lock entry per session (as already outlined), because you can't
> wait on more than one lock at a time.
>
> #2 would probably require multiple PGPROC lock entries, though I am
> unclear how often a session holds multiple light-weight locks
> concurrently. #3 might require global counters in memory.
>
> #1 seems the most useful from a user perspective, and we can perhaps
> experiment with #2 and #3 once that is done.
I agree with some of your thoughts on this, Bruce, but there are some
points I'm not so sure about.
I have a feeling that any system that involves repeatedly scanning the
procarray will either have painful performance impact (if it's
frequent) or catch only a statistically insignificant fraction of lock
acquisitions (if it's infrequent). The reason I think there may be a
performance impact is because quite a number of heavily-trafficked
shared memory structures are bottlenecked on memory latency, so it's
easy to imagine that having an additional process periodically reading
them would increase cache-line bouncing and hurt performance. We will
probably need some experimentation to find the best idea.
I think the easiest way to measure lwlock contention would be to put
some counters in the lwlock itself. My guess, based on a lot of
fiddling with LWLOCK_STATS over the years, is that there's no way to
count lock acquisitions and releases without harming performance
significantly - no matter where we put the counters, it's just going
to be too expensive. However, I believe that incrementing a counter -
even in the lwlock itself - might not be too expensive if we only do
it when (1) a process goes to sleep or (2) spindelays occur. Those
operations are expensive enough that I think the cost of an extra
shared memory access won't be too significant.
As a further point, when I study the LWLOCK_STATS output, that stuff
is typically what I'm looking for anyway. The first few times I ran
with that enabled, I was kind of interested by the total lock counts
... but that quickly got uninteresting. The blocking and spindelays
show you where the problems are, so that's the interesting part.
--
Robert Haas
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
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